Discussion:
[subsurface-4.7.8-81-gb930c39eade0] issue on displaying GF
Chirana Gheorghita Eugeniu Theodor
2018-04-26 08:14:50 UTC
Permalink
I have this dive opened on the windows version of libdcNG continuous
build 4.7.8-81-gb930c39eade0. I see the dive computer setup as GF30/70 but
in the dive profile screen it shows GF30/75. Issue of display glitch?
Please see attached screenshot.

What is the "official" release of the NG that is beeing maintained? Maibe
I am using the wrong one?
--
________________________________________
Cu stima/Best regards/Mit freundlichen GrÌßen,

Chirana-Gheorghita Eugeniu-Theodor
Bucharest, Romania

e-mail : ***@adaptcom.ro
mobile: 0743 698721
0747 447675
SSI diver ID: 1118289
Chirana Gheorghita Eugeniu Theodor
2018-04-26 08:18:22 UTC
Permalink
Please ignore this. It was from the general settings of the application...

On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Chirana Gheorghita Eugeniu Theodor <
Post by Chirana Gheorghita Eugeniu Theodor
I have this dive opened on the windows version of libdcNG continuous
build 4.7.8-81-gb930c39eade0. I see the dive computer setup as GF30/70 but
in the dive profile screen it shows GF30/75. Issue of display glitch?
Please see attached screenshot.
What is the "official" release of the NG that is beeing maintained? Maibe
I am using the wrong one?
--
________________________________________
Cu stima/Best regards/Mit freundlichen GrÌßen,
Chirana-Gheorghita Eugeniu-Theodor
Bucharest, Romania
mobile: 0743 698721
0747 447675
SSI diver ID: 1118289
--
________________________________________
Cu stima/Best regards/Mit freundlichen GrÌßen,

Chirana-Gheorghita Eugeniu-Theodor
Bucharest, Romania

e-mail : ***@adaptcom.ro
mobile: 0743 698721
0747 447675
SSI diver ID: 1118289
Anton Lundin
2018-04-26 08:28:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Chirana Gheorghita Eugeniu Theodor
Please ignore this. It was from the general settings of the application...
On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Chirana Gheorghita Eugeniu Theodor <
Post by Chirana Gheorghita Eugeniu Theodor
I have this dive opened on the windows version of libdcNG continuous
build 4.7.8-81-gb930c39eade0. I see the dive computer setup as GF30/70 but
in the dive profile screen it shows GF30/75. Issue of display glitch?
Please see attached screenshot.
What is the "official" release of the NG that is beeing maintained? Maibe
I am using the wrong one?
Maybe we should try to clarify the gf settings ontop of the profile so
its clear that those are the settings that _subsurface_ are using, and
not the ones from the dc.


//Anton
--
Anton Lundin +46702-161604
Willem Ferguson
2018-04-26 08:37:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by Chirana Gheorghita Eugeniu Theodor
Please ignore this. It was from the general settings of the
application...
On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Chirana Gheorghita Eugeniu Theodor
I have this dive opened on the windows version of libdcNG
continuous build 4.7.8-81-gb930c39eade0. I see the dive computer
setup as GF30/70 but in the dive profile screen it shows GF30/75.
Issue of display glitch? Please see attached screenshot.
What is the "official"  release of the NG that is beeing
maintained? Maibe I am using the wrong one?
I suspect here the GF on the left (30/70) is the gradient factor that
the dive computer used. This is a function of the dive computer
settings. The value on the right (30/75) is  the GF that Subsurface has
been set to in the Subsurface Preferences (i.e. the displayed profile GF).
Kind regards,
willem
--
This message and attachments are subject to a disclaimer.

Please refer to 
http://upnet.up.ac.za/services/it/documentation/docs/004167.pdf
<http://upnet.up.ac.za/services/it/documentation/docs/004167.pdf> for
full
details.
Chirana Gheorghita Eugeniu Theodor
2018-04-26 08:53:38 UTC
Permalink
Yes I figured that out , but would pose more sense if there would be no
subsurface setting in this matter. It makes no sense to setup the dive log
to display 30/75 when the dive computer reports it was using 30/70 for that
dive. Even more what if during a dive I change the GF settings on the
computer (which is possible on th eshearwater)??? what will subsurface than
display? it should display a icon in the dive profile just like a cylinder
change. Right?

On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 11:37 AM, Willem Ferguson <
Post by Chirana Gheorghita Eugeniu Theodor
Please ignore this. It was from the general settings of the application...
On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Chirana Gheorghita Eugeniu Theodor <
Post by Chirana Gheorghita Eugeniu Theodor
I have this dive opened on the windows version of libdcNG continuous
build 4.7.8-81-gb930c39eade0. I see the dive computer setup as GF30/70 but
in the dive profile screen it shows GF30/75. Issue of display glitch?
Please see attached screenshot.
What is the "official" release of the NG that is beeing maintained?
Maibe I am using the wrong one?
I suspect here the GF on the left (30/70) is the gradient factor that the
dive computer used. This is a function of the dive computer settings. The
value on the right (30/75) is the GF that Subsurface has been set to in
the Subsurface Preferences (i.e. the displayed profile GF).
Kind regards,
willem
This message and attachments are subject to a disclaimer.
Please refer to http://upnet.up.ac.za/services/it/documentation/docs/
004167.pdf for full details.
--
________________________________________
Cu stima/Best regards/Mit freundlichen GrÌßen,

Chirana-Gheorghita Eugeniu-Theodor
Bucharest, Romania

e-mail : ***@adaptcom.ro
mobile: 0743 698721
0747 447675
SSI diver ID: 1118289
Anton Lundin
2018-04-26 09:03:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by Chirana Gheorghita Eugeniu Theodor
Yes I figured that out , but would pose more sense if there would be no
subsurface setting in this matter. It makes no sense to setup the dive log
to display 30/75 when the dive computer reports it was using 30/70 for that
dive. Even more what if during a dive I change the GF settings on the
computer (which is possible on th eshearwater)??? what will subsurface than
display? it should display a icon in the dive profile just like a cylinder
change. Right?
There are two portions here. The deco calculations done by your
computer, and whats done after the fact in subsurface.

Both can be displayed in the profile.

The subsurface setting affects the deco calculations that subsurface are
doing, on the data (depth / time) from your dc.

If you're to change your deco settings while diving, that will just
affect the deco data generated by your computer.


This way, you can compare dive computers deco algorithms with the
subsurface implementation.


//Anton
--
Anton Lundin +46702-161604
Dirk Hohndel
2018-04-26 14:30:25 UTC
Permalink
Yes I figured that out , but would pose more sense if there would be no subsurface setting in this matter. It makes no sense to setup the dive log to display 30/75 when the dive computer reports it was using 30/70 for that dive. Even more what if during a dive I change the GF settings on the computer (which is possible on th eshearwater)??? what will subsurface than display? it should display a icon in the dive profile just like a cylinder change. Right?
You gave the reason why there is a Subsurface setting yourself.
Most dive computers don't tell you at all what GF settings were used (and many don't use BÃŒhlmann, anyway). And the Shearwater doesn't tell you if and when GF was switched. Subsurface calculates its own deco ceiling and visualizes that in addition to the dive computer reported ceiling. And the Subsurface GF settings control THAT calculated ceiling.

/D
Willem Ferguson
2018-04-26 09:25:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by Chirana Gheorghita Eugeniu Theodor
Yes I figured that out , but would pose more sense if there would be
no subsurface setting in this matter. It makes no sense to setup the
dive log to display 30/75 when the dive computer reports it was using
30/70 for that dive. Even more what if during a dive I change the GF
settings on the computer (which is possible on th eshearwater)??? what
will subsurface than display? it should display a icon in the dive
profile just like a cylinder change. Right?
On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 11:37 AM, Willem Ferguson
Post by Chirana Gheorghita Eugeniu Theodor
Please ignore this. It was from the general settings of the
application...
On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Chirana Gheorghita Eugeniu
I have this dive opened on the windows version of libdcNG
continuous build 4.7.8-81-gb930c39eade0. I see the dive
computer setup as GF30/70 but in the dive profile screen it
shows GF30/75. Issue of display glitch? Please see attached
screenshot.
What is the "official"  release of the NG that is beeing
maintained? Maibe I am using the wrong one?
I suspect here the GF on the left (30/70) is the gradient factor
that the dive computer used. This is a function of the dive
computer settings. The value on the right (30/75) is  the GF that
Subsurface has been set to in the Subsurface Preferences (i.e. the
displayed profile GF).
Kind regards,
willem
I am not sure that this is generally doable.

Firstly, only a handful dc's record GF. Most do not. How should one deal
with the dc's that do not record GF? How should one provide for the
multiple ways in which different dive computers determine conservatism?
Most dc's use conservatism levels, not GF.

Secondly, how is GF recorded in the Subsurface dive log? This is a
function of the way libdivecomputer extracts data from the dive
computer. I am not convinced that libdivecomputer has the ability to
capture on-the-fly changes in GF during a dive, so your suggestion is
probably not possible anyway. My Uwatec automatically adjusts the
conservatism if the diver oversteps the deco requirements, but this is
not captured by libdivecomputer. And I do not care too much about that. 
If this is a critical factor for you, then consider a dc like Shearwater
that provides its own set of dive ceilings for each dive, reflecting the
GF settings of the dc, including on-the-fly changes in GF.
Libdivecomputer captures that perfectly.

Thirdly, the displayed GF in the Subsurface dive profile is a broad and
general yard stick to evaluate the deco during the dive. Is it really
crucial to modify the ceiling in a detailed way to reflect GF changes
during the dive? All the a diver wants to do is to get a reasonable
*overall* impression of how well the deco went in terms of tissue
compartment gas pressures.

Kind regards,
willem
--
This message and attachments are subject to a disclaimer.

Please refer to 
http://upnet.up.ac.za/services/it/documentation/docs/004167.pdf
<http://upnet.up.ac.za/services/it/documentation/docs/004167.pdf> for
full
details.
Dirk Hohndel
2018-04-26 14:31:21 UTC
Permalink
What is the "official" release of the NG that is beeing maintained? Maibe I am using the wrong one?
I will delete all of the NG builds as all of that code has now been merged into master.

/D

Loading...